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Pissedoffvulcan wrote:

Quote :: I'm sorry Bandit but that's not even close to being true. Every generation complains about how stupid and lazy the younger generation is and they are typically wrong.

we go through young people like Sandra Fluke goes through men. In the last 4 years I have only had one young person last more then 2 weeks as my helper. Upstairs it is even worse. Not saying there are young people who do not work hard. But that is mostly ones the come from farms because the rest get everything handed to them.

Every generation in this country has been on a decline since the hippie generation of the 60's. Those wacko weirdo's started all the bad stuff we have today and it's been downhill since.

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eber322 wrote:: Every generation in this country has been on a decline since the hippie generation of the 60's. Those wacko weirdo's started all the bad stuff we have today and it's been downhill since.

What about the beatniks? Surely you must feel that Jack Kerouac was a lazy, worthless bum.

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A swing and a miss!

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ilaugh wrote:: I'm sorry Bandit but that's not even close to being true. Every generation complains about how stupid and lazy the younger generation is and they are typically wrong. However one thing that can drive civilization backwards is fundamentalism.

And here I took the time to plagiarize a well read and respected publication. While, it's not flattering, it certainly is true.

Millennials

I'm from the Baby Boomer generation (1940's-1960's), my wife from Generation X (1960's-1980's), and our children the Millennial generation (1980's-2000). Like it or not, that's a good 60 years of sociological research.

Fundamentalism? I counter that with this. If it isn't broken, then don't "fix" it.

ilaugh wrote:: Well I imagine gay couples will take what they can for now. As time passes gay marriage will be as widely accepted as interracial marriage is today. Now you still can choose to dislike it, that's your choice, you can even claim that you're forced to accept it, I'll concede to that, but a little tolerance will probably ease the stress level.

Sorry, but black and white (European stock) is not widely accepted. Merely tolerated, and you're lucky if you get that.

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eber322 wrote:: Every generation in this country has been on a decline since the hippie generation of the 60's. Those wacko weirdo's started all the bad stuff we have today and it's been downhill since.

So you blame my/our generation?

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Bandit wrote:: Sorry, but black and white (European stock) is not widely accepted. Merely tolerated, and you're lucky if you get that.

Well, like I said. You don't have to like it.

But the free world as a whole doesn't subscribe to that bigotry.

Bandit wrote:: While, it's not flattering, it certainly is true.

here we go with truths again.

Quote :: But that’s merely one way of looking at the largest and most important generation since the Baby Boomers. In this week’s cover story, TIME’s Joel Stein — who has a few Millennial traits himself — examines the overwhelming negative data about Millennials and argues that rather than being inherently self-centered or overconfident, millennials are just adapting quickly to a world undergoing rapid technological change. They’re optimistic, they’re confident and they’re pragmatic at a time when it can be difficult just to get by. Those aren’t bad qualities to have, even if it means they spend too much time on their phones.

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Bandit wrote:: Fundamentalism? I counter that with this. If it isn't broken, then don't "fix" it.

How about the fundamentalist dogma of communism?

Seriously, I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

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Bandit wrote:: So you blame my/our generation?

I blame the Woodstock crowd, yes. Although every generation has various "bad" elements, the 60's generation was overwhelmed with it. They are the ones who started or pushed all the liberal poppycock, lack of morals, and PC nonsense we have today. I don't blame everybody from that generation, they weren't all like that, but a large majority of them were and they shifted our country downhill big time and it's kept going since. We need a Conservative generation as large as the 60's liberal generation to turn it around, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Those darn kids!

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eber322 wrote:: I blame the Woodstock crowd, yes. Although every generation has various "bad" elements, the 60's generation was overwhelmed with it. They are the ones who started or pushed all the liberal poppycock, lack of morals, and PC nonsense we have today. I don't blame everybody from that generation, they weren't all like that, but a large majority of them were and they shifted our country downhill big time and it's kept going since. We need a Conservative generation as large as the 60's liberal generation to turn it around, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It was the hippies. It was the Woodstock crowd.

The fact is, it was Christians.

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eber322 wrote:

Bandit wrote:: So you blame my/our generation?

I blame the Woodstock crowd, yes. Although every generation has various "bad" elements, the 60's generation was overwhelmed with it. They are the ones who started or pushed all the liberal poppycock, lack of morals, and PC nonsense we have today. I don't blame everybody from that generation, they weren't all like that, but a large majority of them were and they shifted our country downhill big time and it's kept going since. We need a Conservative generation as large as the 60's liberal generation to turn it around, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

What about the labour movement?

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eber322 wrote:

Bandit wrote:: So you blame my/our generation?

I blame the Woodstock crowd, yes. Although every generation has various "bad" elements, the 60's generation was overwhelmed with it. They are the ones who started or pushed all the liberal poppycock, lack of morals, and PC nonsense we have today. I don't blame everybody from that generation, they weren't all like that, but a large majority of them were and they shifted our country downhill big time and it's kept going since. We need a Conservative generation as large as the 60's liberal generation to turn it around, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I am a member of that generation, and although I didn't agree with most of it, those are the very reasons that and I have long assigned the blame for our pathetic current circumstances to my own generation. We are indeed the ones who screwed this particular pooch.

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Annoyed wrote:

eber322 wrote:

Bandit wrote:: So you blame my/our generation?

I blame the Woodstock crowd, yes. Although every generation has various "bad" elements, the 60's generation was overwhelmed with it. They are the ones who started or pushed all the liberal poppycock, lack of morals, and PC nonsense we have today. I don't blame everybody from that generation, they weren't all like that, but a large majority of them were and they shifted our country downhill big time and it's kept going since. We need a Conservative generation as large as the 60's liberal generation to turn it around, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I am a member of that generation, and although I didn't agree with most of it, those are the very reasons that and I have long assigned the blame for our pathetic current circumstances to my own generation. We are indeed the ones who screwed this particular pooch.

Yeah, I blame you!

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So it was the liberal hippie Christians from Woodstock.

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Bandit wrote:: The fact is, it was Christians.

I don't know where you get that from. Not all the hippies were raised Christian, there were people who had been raised in all the various faiths. But these people by and large rejected what they were raised on and sought a "spiritual path" of their own. Most of them in fact were either Atheist or followers of corrupted Eastern religious teachings. "Free Love" is a direct rejection of the Christian ideas of celibacy, marriage, and monogamy. The 60's youth rejected the values of their parents (conservative views and Christianity) and created their own culture, beliefs, and morals. They were in short, the liberal movement.

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eber322 wrote:: I don't know where you get that from. Not all the hippies were raised Christian, there were people who had been raised in all the various faiths. But these people by and large rejected what they were raised on and sought a "spiritual path" of their own. Most of them in fact were either Atheist or followers of corrupted Eastern religious teachings. "Free Love" is a direct rejection of the Christian ideas of celibacy, marriage, and monogamy. The 60's youth rejected the values of their parents (conservative views and Christianity) and created their own culture, beliefs, and morals. They were in short, the liberal movement.

Where did I get it? History. Hippies opposed political and social norms that rob an individual of personal freedom. They also opposed established institutions that did the same. So the first thing to go, was Christianity.

Hippies also viewed the government as corrupt and hypocritical often exercising undue power over the masses.

Hippies were mostly white, came from a Christian background, and were mid-teens to early 20's in age.

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Ok, most of them came from a Christian background, agreed, but they weren't Christians. As you yourself said... "So the first thing to go, was Christianity." You can't get away with calling them Christians when they rejected Christianity. Might as well claim they were Conservatives as well, after all that's how most of them were raised.

Subject: Re: Homosexuals in Scouting Tue May 28, 2013 3:58 pm

ilaugh wrote:

Annoyed wrote:

eber322 wrote:

Bandit wrote:: So you blame my/our generation?

I blame the Woodstock crowd, yes. Although every generation has various "bad" elements, the 60's generation was overwhelmed with it. They are the ones who started or pushed all the liberal poppycock, lack of morals, and PC nonsense we have today. I don't blame everybody from that generation, they weren't all like that, but a large majority of them were and they shifted our country downhill big time and it's kept going since. We need a Conservative generation as large as the 60's liberal generation to turn it around, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I am a member of that generation, and although I didn't agree with most of it, those are the very reasons that and I have long assigned the blame for our pathetic current circumstances to my own generation. We are indeed the ones who screwed this particular pooch.

Yeah, I blame you!

Feel free to blame my generation, I agree with you.

But do not blame me, not in the slightest. I disagree with most of the changes my generation has wrought upon society.

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That was just a poor attempt at bad humor on my behalf. I don't really blame you.

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eber322 wrote:: Ok, most of them came from a Christian background, agreed, but they weren't Christians. As you yourself said... "So the first thing to go, was Christianity." You can't get away with calling them Christians when they rejected Christianity. Might as well claim they were Conservatives as well, after all that's how most of them were raised.

I didn't say they rejected Christianity. I said they opposed established institutions that rob people of personal freedom. So the first institution to go was church (Christianity). In setting up their own beliefs and morals, many did adopt some of the teachings of Christ, depending on the Christian denomination. It is well documented that hippies were very spiritual. While I know most Christians say other Christian sects are not real Christians because of differing beliefs, I do not. That would be like my saying BSA is not real Christians because they allow Homosexuals, which is rejecting Christian beliefs.

As for them being raised conservative, I do not believe that. History in fact shows liberalism peaked during the 40's. It's last "hoorah" was likely the mid 60's with Johnson in office.

Today, less than 20% of the voting population identifies with being liberal, a trend that has been consistent for the last 3 decades. With a population over 308 million (179 in 1960) I'm pretty sure the conservatives number more now, than liberals in 1960.

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Bandit wrote:: Today, less than 20% of the voting population identifies with being liberal, a trend that has been consistent for the last 3 decades. With a population over 308 million (179 in 1960) I'm pretty sure the conservatives number more now, than liberals in 1960.

You can say whatever you want with statistics, but are you really asserting that there are more Conservatives today?

If that is indeed the case, why are we being governed from a position so far to the left?

We managed to elect for a second term a president who advocates socialist/communist positions such as redistribution of wealth by government force (among he many other liberal traits).

Both parties are soft on illegal immigration.

Every time you turn around you read about various states and the federal government being near bankruptcy, yet the solution is always more taxation, never actual cuts in spending (Not a reduction in spending growth, but actual cuts)

As far as religion goes, Christianity in particular is being phased/forced out of our society.

Need I remind you how important "God" was to our founding fathers? They certainly wanted religious freedom; they didn't want the state to force any particular religion upon anyone, but I'm pretty sure they didn't want government forcing one out, either.

I could go on for the next several hours but I have things to do today.

Can you really believe that we are more conservative today than we were 50 years ago?

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Okay, I take back my last statement.

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You know what blows my mind about you, Bandit, is you open that fantastic mind and prove that you're wicked intelligent, but still an Aryan prick.

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ilaugh wrote:: You know what blows my mind about you, Bandit, is you open that fantastic mind and prove that you're wicked intelligent, but still an Aryan prick.

Really? Fantastic mind and wicked intelligent are debatable. A prick, I freely admit to, when I am forced to be one. I make no apologies for that.

But Aryan? Care to explain why you bestow that label on me?

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Sure, tell me openly, and honestly, how you feel about everyone who isn't you?