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Subject: Constitutional expert: Here's what 'natural born citizen' means Read more: Constitutional expert: Here's what 'natural born citizen' means Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:31 pm
Well said from an actual Constitutional expert. I highlighted his statements in yellow.
There are those who dislike Obama's policies and just want him out of office. There are those who like the socialism he's been working to install in the U.S. and probably will vote for him again. And there are those who have done some research and say the simple logic of the facts regarding Obama confirms he's not eligible under the Constitution's requirements for a person to be president.
But the concept of a constitionally qualified "natural born citizen," when it's been used interchangeably with so many other words like "citizen" and "native-born citizen," remains an enigma to some.
Now comes a constitutional scholar to put it in simple phrases and make it clear.
The evaluation of the meaning of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution comes from Dr. Herbert W. Titus, of counsel to the law firm William J. Olson.
He previously taught constitutional law, common law and other subjects for 30 years at five different American Bar Association-approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993 he was the founding dean of the College of Law and Government at Regent University.
And before that, he was a trial attorney and special assistant U.S. attorney with the Department of Justice.
His degrees are from Harvard and the University of Oregon, and he's admitted to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court, appellate courts in the 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th and other districts. His practice has taken him into courts more than a dozen different states.
He explains that much of the discussion of citizenship, and the 14th Amendment, essentially can be ignored in this argument, in a video from TheAmericanView.com.
"Natural born citizen' in relation to the office of president, and whether someone is eligible, was in the Constitution from the very beginning," he said. "Another way of putting it: There is a law of the nature of citizenship. If you are a natural born citizen, you are a citizen according to the law of nature, not according to any positive statement in a Constitution or in a statute, but because of the very nature of your birth and the very nature of nations."
If you "go back and look at what the law of nature would be or would require … that's precisely what a natural born citizen is …. is one who is born to a father and mother each of whom is a citizen of the U.S. or whatever other country..."
"Now what we've learned from the Hawaii birth certificate is that Mr. Obama's father was not a citizen of the United States. His mother was, but he doesn't qualify as a natural born citizen for the office of president."
YawnGG
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:57 am
https://youtu.be/rr2yyAiM3E8 short version interview
“Birther” is a term the mainstream media have put on those who question whether President Barack Obama was born in the United States and is, therefore, eligible to hold the office of President. The MSM mean it as a derisive term. After all, no higher authority than Snopes.com has validated Obama’s citizenship. So how can anyone believe Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii?
It certainly can’t be because Obama’s paternal step-grandmother once made the claim that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya, and that she was present at the birth.
It certainly can’t be because a Kenyan newspaper, the Sunday Standard, published an article in 2004 with the headline “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate.”
It certainly can’t be because The Nigerian Observer published an article in November 2008 about how Kenyan-born Senator Barack Obama was the favorite to win the U.S. Presidential race.
It certainly can’t be because there are a number of other articles that say he is Kenya-born.
It certainly can’t be because an investigation by the Kenyan National Security Intelligence Service into claims Obama might be Kenyan-born determined relevant documents had been removed or were missing.
It certainly can’t be because the State of Hawaii has refused all requests — including multiple attempts from Maricopa County (Ariz.) Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s cold case posse — to release an original long-form birth certificate.
It certainly can’t be because of the many flaws found in the “official” birth certificate released by the White House last April.
It certainly can’t be because, if Obama himself is to be believed, his father’s Kenyan and British citizenship denies “natural-born” status and precludes Obama from serving.
It certainly can’t be because the Kenyan ambassador said it’s well-known that Obama was born in Kenya.
It certainly can’t be because Michelle Obama once called Kenya Obama’s “home country.”
It certainly can’t be because Arpaio’s investigative team has discovered that official records of inbound U.S. flights from the week of Obama’s supposed birth are missing from the National Archives.
It certainly can’t be because, as Breitbart.com released last week, Obama’s authorized biography from his literary agent in 1991 said Obama was born in Kenya, and that the biography remained that way through subsequent reprintings into 2007.
It certainly can’t be that he’s using a Social Security number issued from the State of Connecticut in either 1976 or 1977 even though he has never claimed to reside there and held his first job at a Hawaii Baskin-Robbins. This is one of a number — as many as 16 by some counts — of Social Security numbers that can be linked to Obama and his aliases.
And it certainly can’t have anything to do with the fact that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett bowed to political pressure and changed his tune on Obama’s eligibility even before he had opened the email from Hawaii because he “was confident it contained the information he asked for.”
This birther nonsense is silly. No rational, thinking person could ever doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii.
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Fri May 25, 2012 6:55 pm
justmemyselfandi wrote:
Will this do?
Wow - that is one awesome Obama/abomination! He transforms from his earthly form into his spirit form. You have no idea how accurate this is. :affraid:
If you have a young boy, you’ve probably watched Disney’s Cars 2 about a thousand times. For those who don’t know, at the movie’s end (an obligatory spoiler warning here), Sir Miles Axlerod is exposed as a fraud when he’s forced to open his hood by Mater, the hayseed hick. Hold that thought.
Three possibilities follow the bombshell discovery that Barack Obama was promoted in 1991 through 2007 by his professional agency as an author “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.” (1) Obama untruthfully presented himself as Kenya-born. (2) Obama untruthfully presents himself as Hawaii-born. (3) Obama had no knowledge that his bio contained the 16-year-old “error” which was corrected in April of 2007, when Obama was gearing up his campaign for the U.S. presidency.
Of the three possibilities, number three may be discarded on its face as absurd. Everyone in the publishing industry knows that authors write their own bios. At the very least, authors approve their own bios. I’ve written some law review articles, and in the law journal context, author bios are normally brief. Even so, in every instance, the respective publishers printed only what I approved.
Mr. Obama's Acton & Dystel bio is fairly lengthy and detailed. To believe that Obama had no knowledge of the born-in-Kenya "error" requires more than just believing he didn't sign off on it. We would also have to believe that Obama didn't care to read his bio in the 36-page promotional booklet after publication and distribution. That is also a huge stretch. Did Obama get a copy? Of course he did -- that's another publishing standard.
Roger Kimball wrote a little spoof on A&D's "fact-checking" error: An agency spokesman who claims to have been responsible for the "born in Kenya" wheeze has publicly said that it was a mistake, a typographical error, a slip of the pen that just went "unchecked" for, um, sixteen-seventeen years. I can understand that. She meant to write "Hawaii" and wrote "Kenya" instead. Could happen to anyone. They look and sound enough alike, don't they, that no one noticed. You meant to write "there" and you wrote "their" instead. You meant to write "cup" and you wrote "floccinaucinihilipilification" instead. No one -- no one at the literary agency, not the author himself -- could be expected to notice. You understand that, right?
Beyond any reasonable doubt, the Kenya birth information was supplied by Obama himself (and the bio was most likely written by Obama).
At this point, we should pause to consider why this explosive story is being largely ignored by the "mainstream" news media: no matter how it's spun, when the dust settles, the story is a lose-lose for Obama. Either way, Obama has lied. And either way, the respective lie is no small matter.
Some have speculated that Obama presented himself as Kenya-born to fit his black liberation ideology in context of promoting his yet-to-be-written book, Journeys in Black and White. Mark Steyn writes:
[B]eing born in Hawaii doesn't really help. It's entirely irrelevant to the twin pillars of contemporary black grievance - American slavery and European imperialism. To 99.99 percent of people, Hawaii is a luxury-vacation destination and nothing else. Whereas Kenya puts you at the heart of what, in an otherwise notably orderly decolonization process by the British, was a bitter and violent struggle against the white man's rule. Cool! The composite chicks dig it, and the literary agents.
Others have noted that if Obama registered for college in the United States as a foreign student (either because he was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, in Indonesia or because he actually was born in Kenya), he pretty much had to go with the bio of the down for the struggle foreign author.
And adding to the mystery, Obama's college, vital, passport and Selective Service records are guarded more securely than the gold at Fort Knox. If only we could just move on past those silly distractions.
At this point, let's hope that the establishment conservative press can finally get a handle on navigating the Obama secrecy issue skillfully and without fear. The entire issue has been wrongly framed. There is no burden on the people to prove anything. It's not about "birther" conspiracy theories. It's not about avoiding the "birther" label at all costs. It's about the staunch secrecy of Barack Obama. It's fundamentally about one simple question: what the hell is Obama hiding?
There is absolutely no reason why citizens should have to "believe" that Obama is eligible for the presidency when relevant evidence is being withheld.
Full disclosure will immediately end the suspicions that citizens reasonably have. The twin drums to be pounded are (1) the burden is on Obama to end all controversy for the sake of the country, and (2) the posting of images on the internet doesn't meet the Pawn Stars standard for authentication of documents, let alone the legal standard that Obama should be held to. Anyone may safely advocate those two points. It's really easy, and I encourage my conservative colleagues to try it.
Prior to the Breitbart bombshell, we had countless oddities and anomalies. There's the African folklore: African newspapers, officials, and paternal family members have indicated that Obama was born in Mombasa. There are no living witnesses to Obama's Hawaii birth. There's the island state with a documented history of registering foreign births as Hawaiian. There were the ambiguous and misleading words of its officials concerning what the Department of Health has in its archives relating to Obama. There was Obama's sideshow spectacle of uploading his "birth certificate" to the internet in 2008 only to abruptly "release" the reportedly nonexistent birth certificate in 2011 (again online) after fighting its production in court after court for over three years.
But now in light of the Breitbart discovery, the production of Obama's college applications and records is as relevant as the need for Obama to comply with the legal standard for the production of his birth certificate -- which means producing certified paper copies for interested state election officials while making the original available for authentication in Hawaii.
Arizona's secretary of state, Ken Bennett, could have used the Breitbart discovery to support a demand for legal compliance and authentication of Obama's Hawaii records (what a great way to get this shocking news to the general public). But, sadly, it appears that Bennett has backed down from his halfhearted request that Hawaii's Department of Health send him a certified paper copy of the original birth certificate (the Department merely informed Bennett that the copy it produced for Obama matches the original, not that Obama's internet image matches the original).
The Breitbart discovery also connects the discovery by Sheriff Joe Arpaio's investigative team relating to the blatant forgery of Obama's Selective Service registration form. At this point, that document must be produced as well.
Something is not right with Obama. At the very least, he was willing to lie about his life story.
The American people have the right to know whether Obama lied in the past because of some disturbing personality disorder -- or, perish the thought, whether Obama committed criminal acts in furtherance of fraud being perpetrated on the American people.
There's only one way to get to the truth.
Let's lift open the hood, Sir Axlerod.
Walterth3rd
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:41 pm
by Ben Shapiro 16 days ago 6 According to archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis, the Dystel.com website – the official website for Dystel & Goderich, Obama’s literary agents – was using the Barack Obama “born in Kenya” language until April 2007, just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency.
Archive.org shows that the Dystel website used the following biography for Obama as of April 3, 2007:
BARACK OBAMA is the junior Democratic senator from Illinois and was the dynamic keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He was also the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Kenya to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE, has been a long time New York Times bestseller.
Obama launched his presidential campaign in February 2007.
By April 21, 2007, the Obama bio had been changed to state that Obama was born in Hawaii:
BARACK OBAMA is the junior Democratic senator from Illinois and was the dynamic keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He was also the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. He was born in Hawaii to an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister and was raised in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago. His first book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE, has been a long time New York Times bestseller.
Obama had already been a national figure for three years, since the Democratic National Convention in 2004, by the time the biography was changed; he had been a sitting Senator for over two years.
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Samurai
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:05 am
Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.
"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me--an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."
Walterth3rd
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:23 am
ice cover to be sure no Predators hit the car you are driving in! :suspect:
Samurai
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:41 pm
Walterth3rd wrote:
ice cover to be sure no Predators hit the car you are driving in! :suspect:
Huh?
Pissedoffvulcan
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:36 pm
Lets not forget Hillary was the first one to make this claim he was born in Kenya.
ilaugh
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Subject: Re: Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen. Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:59 pm
Pissedoffvulcan wrote:
Lets not forget Hillary was the first one to make this claim he was born in Kenya.
So Hilary knows something that all the birthers combined can't seem to be able to prove? Better yet, had she any real proof of it she would have used it in her campaign for president. Had she been able to prove him ineligible for the position she would have won.
I've covered this elsewhere, but the sheer number of people that this conspiracy would have to rely on to propagate the lie makes it highly unlikely that there is anything behind the birthers claim.
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