Post your evidence that Obama is not a U.S. Citizen.

Eber your going to hate this one.



FT. MEADE, Md. – A career officer in the U.S. Army acting as a judge in the prosecution of Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin today ruled that the military is no place for Barack Obama's presidential eligibility to be evaluated. Army Col. Denise R. Lind today ruled in a hearing regarding the evidence to be allowed in the scheduled October court-martial of Lakin that he will be denied access to any of Obama's records as well as any testimony from those who may have access to the records. With her decision, Lind mirrored a number of federal judges who have ruled on civil lawsuits over Obama's eligibility. They have without exception denied the plaintiffs' access to any requested documentation regarding the president's eligibility. Lind ruled that it was "not relevant" for the military to be considering such claims, that the laws allegedly violated by Lakin were legitimate on their face and that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon, and that should have been sufficient for Lakin. Paul Rolf Jensen, Lakin's civilian attorney, said the case would continue. But he said the courts now have denied his client the opportunity to present his defense. Jensen had argued that under U.S.C. Rule 46, a defendant put on court martial has the right to call any and all witnesses and obtain any evidence in his or her defense. Lind, who took 40 minutes to read her decision to the court, disagreed. She said opening up such evidence could be an "embarrassment" to the president, and it's up to Congress to call for impeachment of a sitting president.

Pissedoffvulcan wrote:

Eber your going to hate this one.

They have ignored the Constitution and the rights of all citizens on this issue. Isn't surprising that they will deny this officer his rights in court.

Interesting conclusion though, he basically knew the chain of command was good at least up to the Pentagon, that should be good enough? Really? Soooooo what, the Commander and Chief isn't the head of the military the Pentagon is? Or you're just supposed to obey all commands as long as you believe at least one person outranking you is legitimate?

Well here's some more proof that Obama isn't eligible and the Dems knew it right from the start. All the past candidates the dems put on the ballot had a certification of eligibility sent to each state saying the candidates were eligible under the Constitution. The original cert of eligibility drawn up for Obama said the same thing, then they changed it by removing the "under the Constitution" part before sending it out. Why would they do that unless they knew he isn't eligible under the Constitution and didn't want to get in trouble for saying he is when he isn't?

Original draft that says he eligible under the Constitution. Same wording that was used for all the past Dem candidates.




Modified form that was actually sent to the states were all mention of the eligible under the Constitution was removed.



http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=207197

New internal letter from Congress where they admit nobody has ever vetted Obama to make sure he is eligible to be President. The long and short of it is they claim there is no law, state or Federal, that says a candidate has to be vetted. That isn't true, because the Constitution says the candidates have to be Natural Born Citizens and the Constitution is the highest law. The real excuse they use is that there is no law that says "so and so" has to do it. And since nobody is specifically required to do so, nobody did.

This conflicts with other info I've seen that claims the Secretary of State for each state is responsible to vet candidates. The things I've found claim that they used to check each candidate out to make sure they were eligible, but they stopped doing so in the last 40 or so years. So apparently each state needs to pass a law that specifically states who has to do it and how. Interesting how it was not a problem in the past because everybody wanted to make sure they were eligible, but now a days nobody will do it unless they are made too.

Now that is very interesting.

This one just in.

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HONOLULU -- Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie wants to find a way to release more information about President Obama's Hawaii birth and dispel conspiracy theories that he was born elsewhere.

Abercrombie was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, and is deeply troubled by the effort to cast doubt on the president's citizenship.

The newly elected governor will ask the state attorney general's office about what can be done to put an end to questions about Obama's birth documentation from Aug. 4, 1961, spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Tuesday.

"He had a friendship with Mr. Obama's parents, and so there is a personal issue at hand," Dela Cruz said. "Is it going to be done immediately? No, the first thing on our list is the economy."

It's unclear what Abercrombie could do because Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/29/hawaiis-gov-wants-reveal-obamas-birth-info/#ixzz19VrcAadp

OK Chris Mathews I have a strange sensation running up my leg is now asking for the correct birth certificate. However the Democratic governor of Hawaii has said that he has seen it. Well Mr Governor why not let a republican see it.

It Looks like Rush Limbaugh and Donald Trump have joined the fray on obama's birth certificate.

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Rush Limbaugh entered the renewed fray over President Barack Obama's birth certificate by declaring that Donald Trump’s continued public outcry over the documentation is “a valuable service," not only to the public but also to Obama personally.

"The reason I have a little doubt, just a little, is because he grew up and nobody knew him," Trump had remarked famously to ABC News. The potential presidential contender followed up his theme on Wednesday’s “The View,” again on the ABC Network.

During an interview with Newsmax Thursday, Trump restated his questions on the issue.

On "The View," a morning chat program, Trump declared that he believed Obama has a birth certificate, but that he should produce it to the world, ending the speculation that seems to never go away. Trump added that he felt it strange that "nobody from [Obama's] early years remembers him."

There’s "something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like," Trump opined to the cast members, including Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters, who berated him, accusing him of possibly racist thoughts on the issue.

On Limbaugh’s show Thursday, the radio talker Limbaugh sided with Trump’s beating of the birth certificate drum. "You and I have known all along that we're dealing with a man-child here who has, literally, no qualifications, no experience, and according to Donald Trump now, no birth certificate," Limbaugh declared.

"Trump is performing a valuable service here. He is attempting to help Obama out of a jam. You can't say Trump is a kook right-wing birther. Trump realized the problem that Obama faces here with credibility. He's giving him a chance here to establish some credibility by producing the birth certificate,” Limbaugh added.

Charging that elements of the major media were "covering it up" and "papering it over," he concluded: “Trump's not the kind of guy to comb over difficulties. If he's going to bring this up . . . you know that it's serious."

Meanwhile, part of the heated exchange on "The View":

"Why doesn't he show his birth certificate?" Trump said.

"Why should he have to?" Goldberg fired back.

"Because I have to and everybody else has to, Whoopi," Trump retorted.

"I've never heard any white president asked to be shown the birth certificate," Whoopi countered. "When you become the president of the United States of America, you know that he's American. I'm sorry. That's B.S."

It is going to come up a lot more as we get closer to election time.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/RushLimbaugh-DonaldTrump-PresidentObama-birthcertificate/2011/03/25/id/390717

Trump would not be saying this unless he had something up his sleeve.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Crazylib wrote:

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:[sic]

Right, which has nothing to do with being a natural born citizen. N.B.C. is not the same thing as citizen from birth.

If you are born anywhere in the world and one of your parents is a US citizen you are a citizen from birth (basically with some restrictions). However to be a natural born citizen you have to be born in the US, it's territories or waters to two parents that are US citizens. If you are born outside the US, and/or one or more of your parents aren't US citizens, you're not an NBC.

Whether or not Obama was born in the US doesn't even matter, his father was a UK citizen meaning Obama was a dual citizen at birth and isn't a NBC regardless. It doesn't even matter that he was adopted and dropped his US citizenship, that he may have been born outside the US, etc. All of which also make him ineligible, he was never eligible right from the start because he was a dual citizen at birth meaning he couldn't be NBC.

BTW, McCain also isn't an NBC. And that whole anchor baby thing, any baby born here is a citizen even if it's parents aren't, is also incorrect. That law was passed to ensure that Indians and slave children born here received citizenship. It had nothing to do with foreigners receiving defacto citizenship. That law has been corrupted and misused and needs to be repealed since the people it actually applied to no longer exist.

Ok so watching Bill O'rielly he has sent his own investigative team to Hawaii and they say he was born in Hawaii. That they have records of him being born in a Hospital there.

Pissedoffvulcan wrote:

Ok so watching Bill O'rielly he has sent his own investigative team to Hawaii and they say he was born in Hawaii. That they have records of him being born in a Hospital there.

Yeah O'Rielly said that way back when this issue first came up. As far as I know he's never shown any proof, he just believes Obama was born there because of birth announcements in the microfilms of 2 Hawaii newspapers in 1961. Which prove absolutely nothing.

Yea, they keep saying the governor has seen it and it exists, but no one is producing it. O'Reilly himself even admitted that he hadn't seen it. Here is my beef, If the world can't see it, it doesn't exist. It is that Kentucky personality coming out, "PROVE IT!", IF I CAN'T SEE, SMELL (don't know if I really want to do that one), OR TOUCH IT, IT IS NOT REAL!.

http://usataxpayer.org/htm/vids.asp?A=19064260&ncid=89118136

Not sure how accurate this is but does sound compelling.

From POV'S link...

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The Dallas Blog has just received an e-mail from a reliable source in Texas, who said he received an interesting e-mail from a former U.S. Naval officer, who obtained a fascinating letter from an I.R.S. examiner who contends that Mr. Obama’s real name is Barry Soetoro, according to alleged Top-Secret tax records.
My reliable Texas source explained that he’s not certain if it’s true, but the letter also provides a link to Obama or Soetoro’s selective service registration information, which looks highly-suspicious. Well, let the fun start and see if these allegations are true. Here’s a copy-and-paste of the letter from the IRS examiner:
Trump is right, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding what appears to be a criminal past.
Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt...)
As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.
Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry's name was legally changed to "Barry Soetoro". (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry's vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...
OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry's legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry's father really was and Barry himself may not know.
Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.
Barry's mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother's passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry's mother divorced.
A "certificate [CERTIFICATION is the correct term]of live birth" can have names changed on it including a child's birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a "certificate of live birth". This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)
There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name "Barrack Hussein Obama". I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.
The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.
Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)
Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?....
After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)
When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.
It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as "Obama". Fake Diploma's were very big in the 80's and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)... Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.
The Saudi's apparently loved Barry's story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name "Obama". The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review.... I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.
It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?... I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals... I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi's, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.
Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either… http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/
After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name "Obama" until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980... Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry's own admission) and was not using the fictitious name "Obama" at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name "Obama" only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.
Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry's first love.
Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don't want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.
With time on his hands Barry, a well spoken black man, was able to get elected to a state office, oddly because he looked for fraud in his opponents voter registrations and got his opponent disqualified from running. Barry a well versed liar was a natural in state politics. He used his political influence to get himself a position as a lecturer at Chicago's law school. Barry embellished this position as a "professor of law" which everyone knows is completely false. Barry was not a professor or even a specialist at anything but lying.
On a whim Barry ran for United States Senate for the State of Illinois. Politicians do this all the time to make a name for themselves even if they can't win. At the time the Republican Ryan was a shoe in for the Senate seat, so no real Democrat contenders entered the race, but Barry did. On a fluke after the primary Ryan's wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of nine from Star Trek) went public that her husband was making her have sex with other people while he watched. Ryan dropped out and Alan Keys moved from Maryland to run against Barry Soetoro.
The election got all kinds of press because there was no blacks in the U.S. Senate and one of these black men was going to be a Senator. Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Barry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpet bagger. Barry kept the lie going and presented himself as a clean black man that talked like a white man... Illinois elected Barry to U.S. Senate. The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry's back ground when Ryan dropped out.
Phi,l Barry's boy friend from Occidental, was found working in California as a communications specialist (receptionist) for a dental hygienist school and given a diploma from Columbia and cover story. The rest of Barry's drug friends were all given jobs or money by the Democrat machine to keep quiet.
Because Barry was such a news maker as the only Black in the Senate, and he could speak like a white man he was made key speaker for the Democrat convention. Barry then decided to run for President to keep the lie going. No one thought to question Barry's back ground in the Democrt party... They helped cover up the ugly back ground. The only person jumping up and down warning Barry was not who he claimed to be was Alan Keys and he was discarded as just an angry loser.
Now we have a complete fraud sitting in the Office of the President. Clearly the most corrupt, inexperienced, and ignorant President in the history of the United States who's only quality is that he can lie with a straight face.
Barry Soetoro is as much of a fraud as Bernie Madoff and his house of cards will soon fall down.
March 31, 2011

I think Trump has something and Trump is going to destroy Obama.

Unless he turns up mysteriously dead.

eber322 wrote:

Unless he turns up mysteriously dead.

Obama is not that competent.

It is official Obama is a U.S. Citizen and was born in America. He has released his long form birth certificate.

Pissedoffvulcan wrote:

It is official Obama is a U.S. Citizen and was born in America. He has released his long form birth certificate.

First corrections to your post. Obama was always a citizen from birth, regardless of where he was born. But he was never Natural Born. And his citizenship was revoked when he was adopted and became Indonesian.

Second is this long form real or forged? If it's real why didn't he release it a long time ago? Why did he spend millions of his own money, AND tax payers money, to keep it under wraps? There is only two reasons I can see that he'd do that. 1: There was something in there he didn't want revealed, ie real father, birth place etc. 2: He didn't have a long form to release.

Now here is an alleged long form, I don't see any info in it that be something to hide. So I can only think it's fake. Either to hide whatever embarrassing thing he doesn't want revealed from the real one, or it was created to cover the fact there is no real one.

Regardless, he isn't Natural Born since his father was British and therefore is not, and never was, eligible to be president.


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Of course there is one other possibility. This whole thing with the birth certificate from day one was orchestrated on purpose to cause a big debate and distract people from the real issue. Namely that he was born as a dual citizen and is not therefore Natural Born.

Anybody else think this a just another red herring? The real point right now is that we are all talking about this , and not screaming about how frakin high the gas prices are and how screwed our country is right now.
What the republicans really need to be doing is getting somebody to run against this twit and get him out of our White House. I don't care if he was born on Mars. If we don't do that. We will be stuck with the a@#hole for another four years.

Le sigh

I think this birth certificate is as fake as a 4 dollar bill. But it will probably quiet most people. And people just dont care or understand the natural born citizen thing. Probably the only way to win this is through the next election and let history be the judge if he should have ever been president legally.

Until someone proves it is a fake then he is a natural born citizen. Adopted or not he has to himself give up his citizenship. If he did that which we have no proof of then he is a citizen.

That is the law period.