You can now be arrested without reason.

So I heard about this on Rush Limbaugh today. The military can arrest U.S. Citizens without reason hold them without trial no lawyer. Now Obama said he wont enforce it yet he was the one that put it in there. So for all you people who are going to vote on principle if your candidate does not make good luck hope you do not end up in jail.


http://nyulocal.com/national/2011/12/09/the-military-can-now-arrest-citizens-without-trial-oh-we-call-that-tuesday/

Yeah I heard about this like a month ago. This isn't something you can blame on just Obama or even the Democrats. This is pure NWO cr@p, just like the Patriot Bill (which is anything but) that Bush signed. These people aren't Reps or Dems, they are all NWO infiltrating both parties and working towards the same goals. Voting for any NWO candidate, regardless of which party they claim they are, results in the same thing... the end of this country.

Ron Paul, not only the best candidate but the only candidate that isn't a NWO plant. Any other candidate, left or right, are just NWO working for the same people.

Skycastle posted about this awhile ago... https://sciencefictionforums.forumotion.com/t1403-federal-government-takes-final-step-to-suspend-constitution

eber322 wrote:

Yeah I heard about this like a month ago. This isn't something you can blame on just Obama or even the Democrats. This is pure NWO cr@p, just like the Patriot Bill (which is anything but) that Bush signed. These people aren't Reps or Dems, they are all NWO infiltrating both parties and working towards the same goals. Voting for any NWO candidate, regardless of which party they claim they are, results in the same thing... the end of this country.

Ron Paul, not only the best candidate but the only candidate that isn't a NWO plant. Any other candidate, left or right, are just NWO working for the same people.

Skycastle posted about this awhile ago... https://sciencefictionforums.forumotion.com/t1403-federal-government-takes-final-step-to-suspend-constitution

Patriot bill was they could arrest non U.S. Citizens. However I will agree somehow this did not get blocked. However I found out that Obama asked for this. Now you take his reporting website fema camps and now this. This is getting scary. I don't know about NWO however this right here should scare the hell out of everyone.

This is all very scary. Patriot Bill made it legal to spy on us without warrant or cause, now they can arrest and imprison us without cause, trial or sentencing. They can literal spy on you then roll up in the dead of the night and make you disappear, just like Nazi Germany.

I have a feeling this will be fast tracking to the courts. Cant imagine this standing.

eber322 wrote:

This is all very scary. Patriot Bill made it legal to spy on us without warrant or cause, now they can arrest and imprison us without cause, trial or sentencing. They can literal spy on you then roll up in the dead of the night and make you disappear, just like Nazi Germany.

Now you have be careful about what you say about the Patriot bill. Because they could only spy on you if the call originated outside of the the United States but not within the United States. This has been a misconception of the left and some of the right.

ssvs04 wrote:

I have a feeling this will be fast tracking to the courts. Cant imagine this standing.

One would hope so. But have you noticed how non of the media is reporting on this. How the left is not outraged by this like they were the Patriot act.

Quote :

The Patriot Act increases the government's surveillance powers in four areas:

1. Records searches. It expands the government's ability to look at records on an individual's activity being held by third parties. (Section 215)
2. Secret searches. It expands the government's ability to search private property without notice to the owner. (Section 213)
3. Intelligence searches. It expands a narrow exception to the Fourth Amendment that had been created for the collection of foreign intelligence information (Section 218).
4. "Trap and trace" searches. It expands another Fourth Amendment exception for spying that collects "addressing" information about the origin and destination of communications, as opposed to the content (Section 214).

* The government no longer has to show evidence that the subjects of search orders are an "agent of a foreign power," a requirement that previously protected Americans against abuse of this authority.
* The FBI does not even have to show a reasonable suspicion that the records are related to criminal activity, much less the requirement for "probable cause" that is listed in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. All the government needs to do is make the broad assertion that the request is related to an ongoing terrorism or foreign intelligence investigation.
* Judicial oversight of these new powers is essentially non-existent. The government must only certify to a judge - with no need for evidence or proof - that such a search meets the statute's broad criteria, and the judge does not even have the authority to reject the application.
* Surveillance orders can be based in part on a person's First Amendment activities, such as the books they read, the Web sites they visit, or a letter to the editor they have written.
* A person or organization forced to turn over records is prohibited from disclosing the search to anyone. As a result of this gag order, the subjects of surveillance never even find out that their personal records have been examined by the government. That undercuts an important check and balance on this power: the ability of individuals to challenge illegitimate searches.

Section 215 of the Patriot Act violates the Constitution in several ways. It:

* Violates the Fourth Amendment, which says the government cannot conduct a search without obtaining a warrant and showing probable cause to believe that the person has committed or will commit a crime.
* Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.
* Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.
* Violates the Fourth Amendmentby failing to provide notice - even after the fact - to persons whose privacy has been compromised. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

Under the Patriot Act, the FBI can secretly conduct a physical search or wiretap on American citizens to obtain evidence of crime without proving probable cause, as the Fourth Amendment explicitly requires.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/surveillance-under-usa-patriot-act

eber322 wrote:

Quote :

The Patriot Act increases the government's surveillance powers in four areas:

1. Records searches. It expands the government's ability to look at records on an individual's activity being held by third parties. (Section 215)
2. Secret searches. It expands the government's ability to search private property without notice to the owner. (Section 213)
3. Intelligence searches. It expands a narrow exception to the Fourth Amendment that had been created for the collection of foreign intelligence information (Section 218).
4. "Trap and trace" searches. It expands another Fourth Amendment exception for spying that collects "addressing" information about the origin and destination of communications, as opposed to the content (Section 214).

* The government no longer has to show evidence that the subjects of search orders are an "agent of a foreign power," a requirement that previously protected Americans against abuse of this authority.
* The FBI does not even have to show a reasonable suspicion that the records are related to criminal activity, much less the requirement for "probable cause" that is listed in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. All the government needs to do is make the broad assertion that the request is related to an ongoing terrorism or foreign intelligence investigation.
* Judicial oversight of these new powers is essentially non-existent. The government must only certify to a judge - with no need for evidence or proof - that such a search meets the statute's broad criteria, and the judge does not even have the authority to reject the application.
* Surveillance orders can be based in part on a person's First Amendment activities, such as the books they read, the Web sites they visit, or a letter to the editor they have written.
* A person or organization forced to turn over records is prohibited from disclosing the search to anyone. As a result of this gag order, the subjects of surveillance never even find out that their personal records have been examined by the government. That undercuts an important check and balance on this power: the ability of individuals to challenge illegitimate searches.

Section 215 of the Patriot Act violates the Constitution in several ways. It:

* Violates the Fourth Amendment, which says the government cannot conduct a search without obtaining a warrant and showing probable cause to believe that the person has committed or will commit a crime.
* Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.
* Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.
* Violates the Fourth Amendmentby failing to provide notice - even after the fact - to persons whose privacy has been compromised. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.

Under the Patriot Act, the FBI can secretly conduct a physical search or wiretap on American citizens to obtain evidence of crime without proving probable cause, as the Fourth Amendment explicitly requires.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/surveillance-under-usa-patriot-act

Is that the one under Bush or is this the one Obama signed after he took office. I know Obama expanded it. What surprises me is this. No one is complaining about this military action which is clearly illegal.

Obama expanded it yes, but it sucked to begin with. It's just NWO cr@p designed to take away citizen rights.

eber322 wrote:

Obama expanded it yes, but it sucked to begin with. It's just NWO cr@p designed to take away citizen rights.

I am not disagreeing with you and Obama did expand it from what I first said.

The left there was never any outrage.