Obama sacks SECDEF Hagel

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Seriously, who didn't see this one coming? I'm actually surprised it took this long.

I have nothing but respect for the man. Hagel had the potential of being the best SECDEF we had in a long time. But so much for that.

On his exit, everything he warned Obama about has come to be true. Firing him changes nothing.

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From what I have read and watched it was because Hagel told Obama the truth about ISIS.

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Bandit wrote:: Seriously, who didn't see this one coming? I'm actually surprised it took this long.

I have nothing but respect for the man. Hagel had the potential of being the best SECDEF we had in a long time. But so much for that.

On his exit, everything he warned Obama about has come to be true. Firing him changes nothing.

He was an incompetent republican. Even John McCain said he was the wrong guy for the job.

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Pissedoffvulcan wrote:: From what I have read and watched it was because Hagel told Obama the truth about ISIS.

He never should have accepted the position. As soon as he did, he was doomed. What Hagel told Obama was never the issue. What he told the Media was. ISIS was likely the last straw.

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Three people have turned the job down.
The Defense Secretary job opening is emerging as a thanks-but-no-thanks opportunity, as some of the top potential prospects have already said they’re not interested in the job.

Within minutes of reports Monday that Secretary Chuck Hagel would resign, the names of Michele Flournoy and Rhode Island Sen. Jack Reed emerged as top prospects.

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But each made clear by the end of the day that they didn’t want the coveted but high-wire, Cabinet-level post.

The new secretary would indeed step into a difficult and complicated world, with the emergence of the deadly and unpredictable militant group Islamic State, amid Defense Department cuts.

“There’s no question a lot is going on around the world and at the Pentagon,” department spokesman Adm. John Kirby told Fox News on Tuesday.

In addition, there have already been three defense secretaries in Obama’s first six years. And with his administration ending in 2016, the incoming secretary isn’t assured much job security.

Kirby argued that Hagel’s departure after two years was not “abnormal.”

To be sure, his two predecessors -- Robert Gates and Leon Panetta -- stayed about the same amount of time, which is not unusual in the high-pressured White House environment.

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On average about two years is what the SECDEF does this job. No big news here. Just Fox News making it a sensation when it is not.

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Obama has never, nor will he ever, have a "functional" cabinet. This is by his choice. Nobody that matters will accept the position of SECDEF. The NSC runs the DoD and everybody knows it. That should NEVER have happened, yet he allowed it.

America is in for a bumpy two years.

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Bandit wrote:: Obama has never, nor will he ever, have a "functional" cabinet. This is by his choice. Nobody that matters will accept the position of SECDEF. The NSC runs the DoD and everybody knows it. That should NEVER have happened, yet he allowed it.

America is in for a bumpy two years.

Obama has had the most effective cabinet in history. His staff has been far better than Bush's who mislead us on WMDs. Bush should be tried for war crimes. That is why he cannot go into certain countries now.

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Nobody mislead us on WMD's. They were there and we found them.

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If you have no clue what you are talking about, spare me the spam, and stay out of my thread.

The only member of Obama's original cabinet is Arne Duncan, the Secretary of Education. Everybody else either quit, or was fired. Some positions, multiple times.

As this is about the SECDEF, Robert Gates was the SECDEF under Bush (2006). Obama kept him. He quit in 2011. Since then, Obama has failed to keep anybody in that position.

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Bandit wrote:: If you have no clue what you are talking about, spare me the spam, and stay out of my thread.

The only member of Obama's original cabinet is Arne Duncan, the Secretary of Education. Everybody else either quit, or was fired. Some positions, multiple times.

As this is about the SECDEF, Robert Gates was the SECDEF under Bush (2006). Obama kept him. He quit in 2011. Since then, Obama has failed to keep anybody in that position.

So what if that is the only original member. He has replaced them with high quality people who know their job. I stand by my statement the best cabinet ever.

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PappyLee wrote:: He has replaced them with anybody he could get to take the job.

Yup. Hardly the "best".

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Bandit wrote:

PappyLee wrote:: He has replaced them with anybody he could get to take the job.

Yup. Hardly the "best".

Really? The economy is rebounding people are being hired gas is dropping unemployment is low and jobless claims are down. Millions of Americans insured.

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PappyLee wrote:: Really? The economy is rebounding...

No it's not.

PappyLee wrote:: ... people are being hired...

No more then they have been. And all the jobs now tend to be part time ones thanks to Obamadoesn'tcare.

PappyLee wrote:: ... gas is dropping...

I've been hearing that for awhile, but still haven't seen it here.

PappyLee wrote:: ... unemployment is low and jobless claims are down.

Unemployment has only gotten worse since he took office. It only looks better because they have stopped counting all the unemployed. Not to mention all the full time high paying jobs that have been replaced with part time minimum wage ones.

PappyLee wrote:: Millions of Americans insured.

There are more people without health insurance now than before. Obamadoesn'tcare has cost thousands, maybe millions, of people their health insurance. And ninety percent of the relatively few people that actually signed up for Obamadoesn'tcare aren't paying their premiums because they thought it was a free welfare handout and refuse to pay.

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PappyLee wrote:: Really? The economy is rebounding...

No it's not.

PappyLee wrote:: ... people are being hired...

No more then they have been. And all the jobs now tend to be part time ones thanks to Obamadoesn'tcare.

PappyLee wrote:: ... gas is dropping...

I've been hearing that for awhile, but still haven't seen it here.

PappyLee wrote:: ... unemployment is low and jobless claims are down.

Unemployment has only gotten worse since he took office. It only looks better because they have stopped counting all the unemployed. Not to mention all the full time high paying jobs that have been replaced with part time minimum wage ones.

PappyLee wrote:: Millions of Americans insured.

There are more people without health insurance now than before. Obamadoesn'tcare has cost thousands, maybe millions, of people their health insurance. And ninety percent of the relatively few people that actually signed up for Obamadoesn'tcare aren't paying their premiums because they thought it was a free welfare handout and refuse to pay.

You don't pay much attention about the economy do you? Even your beloved Fox News says it is rebounding.

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Pappy Pappy Pappy. Wages are stagnant jobs are still not being created the ones that are people are not getting a 40 hour work week. We are still having a net loss of jobs. People are falling for we created this many jobs when in they didn't the private sector did. Not Obama not Bush the only thing congress and presidents can do is get out of the way. We know this president won't. The democrats need a permanent underclass. Because without them they cannot steal from the rich.

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You guys are totally missing the bigger picture here. As hard as it seems to be, try to think in terms of politics.

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Pissedoffvulcan wrote:: Pappy Pappy Pappy. Wages are stagnant jobs are still not being created the ones that are people are not getting a 40 hour work week. We are still having a net loss of jobs. People are falling for we created this many jobs when in they didn't the private sector did. Not Obama not Bush the only thing congress and presidents can do is get out of the way. We know this president won't. The democrats need a permanent underclass. Because without them they cannot steal from the rich.

The rich need to pay their fair share. Yes Obama is creating jobs far more than Bush ever did.

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